Exclude Lottery Tickets from Casino Tokens
Responses
about 1 year ago
ABOLI
1 Total Respect
ABOLI
1 Respect
about 1 year ago
Good idea.
+1
about 1 year ago
MROIL
-63 Total Respect
MROIL
-63 Respect
about 1 year ago
agreed, +1
about 1 year ago
KWYY
450 Total Respect
KWYY
450 Respect
about 1 year ago
+1 to this, am in the same boat.
about 1 year ago
DIABLO
1,514 Total Respect
DIABLO
1,514 Respect
about 1 year ago
I can't think of any real disadvantage to this so I'll mark it as planned for now till we can discuss it further internally.
Creator of Cartel Empire, hope you enjoy!
about 14 hours ago
VAELINN
534 Total Respect
VAELINN
534 Respect
about 14 hours ago
I planned this a bit differently from the original post and wanted to share the direction so you can weigh in before it goes live.
What was suggested
- Stop lottery tickets counting as casino token usage (so tokens stay free for Slots / Blackjack achievements)
- After buying a Casino Token Reset, block further lottery ticket purchases for that day
- Add a one-off achievement for winning the lottery
What we're going with instead
Lottery tickets will still cost 1 casino token + £10,000. We're not blocking lottery after a token reset.
The real issue wasn't lottery "stealing" Slots/Blackjack achievement progress (it never counted toward those) — it was that spending tokens on lottery felt wasted when only Slots/Blackjack had long achievement ladders. So rather than carve lottery out of the token system, we're giving lottery its own casino progression track:
- Millions Bound — buy Cartel Millions tickets (same long ladder style as Slots / Blackjack token achievements)
- Lucky ******* — win a lottery prize (any payout tier: 3, 4, or 5 matches), with multiple tiers (win once, win 5 times, etc.)
- Hit the Millions — ultra-rare trophy for hitting the jackpot (match all 5 numbers)
Why this approach
- Keeps lottery a meaningful choice with the shared daily tokens, instead of turning it into free auto-buy fuel
- Makes focusing on lottery feel as valid as grinding Slots or Blackjack
- Avoids punishing supporters who reset tokens specifically to play lottery
- Gives both daily grind (tickets) and draw-night drama (wins / jackpot)
Trade-off vs the original idea: tokens are still shared, so completionists chasing every casino achievement will still need more tokens over time. The upside is lottery is no longer the "dumb" place to spend them.
Happy to hear thoughts — especially if you'd rather lottery be cash-only, or prefer the post-reset ticket lock as originally suggested.
about 13 hours ago
KWYY
450 Total Respect
KWYY
450 Respect
about 13 hours ago
From a personal point of view - more (almost) free merits - hell yeah! It has precedence and makes sense for people choosing to work towards any of the other merits.
My main concern outside of any benefit to myself (and one that is sure to be controversial to most (and probably deserves its own topic)) is the power creep already in such a 'young' game.
We're increasingly moving towards completing everything in a quicker time frame. More merits are always welcome but with the rep grind essentially being trivialised now (and that is no slur on the people that have racked up those kill counts), production gains (that come with the rep increase), stat gains (especially with the Church buffs (despite its recent nerf)) being quite frankly insane, some people with more money than they even know what to do with.. This should be taking years and years, not months.
We already have people who are unkillable in a single fight by anyone else in the game (hi) and people who are literally untouchable (Merch) and this is only going to get worse.
I come from a game (I'm sure most of you know which) where you barely make any gains for the first 3-5 years unless you sink a very considerable sum of RL money - you have to play 10-15 years to complete the achievements and even then only a relatively small handful of people have done this. That game is 20+ years old yeah but hopefully this one will get there too.
TL;DR - I think your proposed changes make absolute sense for the lottery and its place in the game but we need to be mindful of this going forward. Giving everyone exactly what they want is not always (rarely) the best way to go.
Last Edited 31/07/2026, 19:51:41
about 11 hours ago
VAELINN
534 Total Respect
VAELINN
534 Respect
about 11 hours ago
From a personal point of view - more (almost) free merits - hell yeah! It has precedence and makes sense for people choosing to work towards any of the other merits.
My main concern outside of any benefit to myself (and one that is sure to be controversial to most (and probably deserves its own topic)) is the power creep already in such a 'young' game.
We're increasingly moving towards completing everything in a quicker time frame. More merits are always welcome but with the rep grind essentially being trivialised now (and that is no slur on the people that have racked up those kill counts), production gains (that come with the rep increase), stat gains (especially with the Church buffs (despite its recent nerf)) being quite frankly insane, some people with more money than they even know what to do with.. This should be taking years and years, not months.
We already have people who are unkillable in a single fight by anyone else in the game (hi) and people who are literally untouchable (Merch) and this is only going to get worse.
I come from a game (I'm sure most of you know which) where you barely make any gains for the first 3-5 years unless you sink a very considerable sum of RL money - you have to play 10-15 years to complete the achievements and even then only a relatively small handful of people have done this. That game is 20+ years old yeah but hopefully this one will get there too.
TL;DR - I think your proposed changes make absolute sense for the lottery and its place in the game but we need to be mindful of this going forward. Giving everyone exactly what they want is not always (rarely) the best way to go.KWYY - 31/07/2026, 19:48:57
I think this is totally valid feedback, but I would also argue that its not just a quick set of earnable achievements, its another 1 year of content that players can grind for, alongside another 2 years worth of other achievements in the same area that they have to grind for as a completionist.
I guess my view there, and it may be shortsighted, is that its another year worth of content not an immediate win.
about 10 hours ago
DAN
339 Total Respect
DAN
339 Respect
about 10 hours ago
I planned this a bit differently from the original post and wanted to share the direction so you can weigh in before it goes live.
What was suggested
- Stop lottery tickets counting as casino token usage (so tokens stay free for Slots / Blackjack achievements)
- After buying a Casino Token Reset, block further lottery ticket purchases for that day
- Add a one-off achievement for winning the lottery
What we're going with instead
Lottery tickets will still cost 1 casino token + £10,000. We're not blocking lottery after a token reset.
The real issue wasn't lottery "stealing" Slots/Blackjack achievement progress (it never counted toward those) — it was that spending tokens on lottery felt wasted when only Slots/Blackjack had long achievement ladders. So rather than carve lottery out of the token system, we're giving lottery its own casino progression track:
- Millions Bound — buy Cartel Millions tickets (same long ladder style as Slots / Blackjack token achievements)
- Lucky ******* — win a lottery prize (any payout tier: 3, 4, or 5 matches), with multiple tiers (win once, win 5 times, etc.)
- Hit the Millions — ultra-rare trophy for hitting the jackpot (match all 5 numbers)
Why this approach
- Keeps lottery a meaningful choice with the shared daily tokens, instead of turning it into free auto-buy fuel
- Makes focusing on lottery feel as valid as grinding Slots or Blackjack
- Avoids punishing supporters who reset tokens specifically to play lottery
- Gives both daily grind (tickets) and draw-night drama (wins / jackpot)
Trade-off vs the original idea: tokens are still shared, so completionists chasing every casino achievement will still need more tokens over time. The upside is lottery is no longer the "dumb" place to spend them.
Happy to hear thoughts — especially if you'd rather lottery be cash-only, or prefer the post-reset ticket lock as originally suggested.
VAELINN - 31/07/2026, 18:58:27
I don't see anything here I disagree with. Great post!
about 10 hours ago
TWITCH
83 Total Respect
TWITCH
83 Respect
about 10 hours ago
I agree with Kwyy here. A lot is changing very quick which is amazing and I rate the amount of work that you're putting in however too much change too quick can cause a rift potentially. I think in like 6 months - 1 years time 10000.%
also would the trophy act as a collectible?
From a personal point of view - more (almost) free merits - hell yeah! It has precedence and makes sense for people choosing to work towards any of the other merits.My main concern outside of any benefit to myself (and one that is sure to be controversial to most (and probably deserves its own topic)) is the power creep already in such a 'young' game.
We're increasingly moving towards completing everything in a quicker time frame. More merits are always welcome but with the rep grind essentially being trivialised now (and that is no slur on the people that have racked up those kill counts), production gains (that come with the rep increase), stat gains (especially with the Church buffs (despite its recent nerf)) being quite frankly insane, some people with more money than they even know what to do with.. This should be taking years and years, not months.
We already have people who are unkillable in a single fight by anyone else in the game (hi) and people who are literally untouchable (Merch) and this is only going to get worse.
I come from a game (I'm sure most of you know which) where you barely make any gains for the first 3-5 years unless you sink a very considerable sum of RL money - you have to play 10-15 years to complete the achievements and even then only a relatively small handful of people have done this. That game is 20+ years old yeah but hopefully this one will get there too.
TL;DR - I think your proposed changes make absolute sense for the lottery and its place in the game but we need to be mindful of this going forward. Giving everyone exactly what they want is not always (rarely) the best way to go.KWYY - 31/07/2026, 19:48:57
about 10 hours ago
VAELINN
534 Total Respect
VAELINN
534 Respect
about 10 hours ago
This is implemented.
The lottery system is an amazing idea and really well implemented however I feel like I've been 'locked' out of playing the lottery because of achievements for the other games like Slots/Blackjack have a 'higher priority' for my Casino tokens to be used on to give me an advantage with achievement based perks. I'm only at 7/10 on the slots and I need to get use 18,250 Casino Tokens in Slots. I won't be able to play the lottery for quite a while because I'll be moving on to Blackjack after.
I'd like to hear everyone elses feedback on this.